Looking for a 10gbe ethernet switch - any recommendations?

[sdaf351rfFE]

With my new Synology being setup with the optional 10gbe port, I realized my current 1g ethernet switch needs updated.

I've searched Amazon and many are in the $200+ or $300+ range which seems excessive. There are a couple cheaper but I'll wait for any recommendations.

Also question - so my Synology is 10gbe. My ethernet port at home in the wall goes directly to a fiber connection, speeds of 900+/900+ down/up.

To make use of the highest speeds, how many 10gbe ports do I need?

I know I must have ethernet port in my wall to 10gbe switch. Synology NAS to a 10gbe port in switch. Main desktop PC into 10gbe port...

Anything else?

 

[sem04]

It all depends on your requirements. Do you actually need a 10 gig connection to your NAS, or was your previous setup (1 GbE) good enough? If you're considering an upgrade, how many ports do you need on the switch (and with or without PoE)? Also, it's important to check if the rest of your network can handle the higher speeds (like internet cables, clients, etc.).

If you're set on getting a 10 gig switch, let's talk about your current setup. Personally, I'd lean towards a UniFi switch, but it really depends on what you already have in your networking setup. The $200 - $300 range is pretty standard for 10 gig switches. Yeah, they're not cheap, but you get what you pay for.

Regarding your setup, since your nas has that 10gbe port and you've got a fiber connection, to make the most of those speeds, you'll need a few 10gbe ports eg: one from your wall's ethernet port to the switch, another from your Synology NAS to the switch, and one more for your main PC. Think about any other devices you might want to hook up at those speeds too.

So yeah, it's all about balancing what you need with what you're willing to spend. Just make sure everything else in your network can keep up if you go for it.

 

[sdaf351rfFE]

Nice, thanks for your thoughts!

I do "need" 10 gig - little while ago I moved into a new building that has fiber internet. Unfortunately the performance when downloading is nowhere close to desired. The speed is inconsistent but it's closer to something around ~75mbps. My complaints haven't worked, all they do is send a guy over and do one speed test that shows 900/900 speeds. Then they claim that it has to do with where you download stuff and they can only promise stuff from their network but it doesn't matter if download 1000 different files from 1000 different places their speed would still be inconsistent and slow for a fiber connection.

This frustrates me. My main desktop PC has been having unrelated issues also, and when I asked my tech guy about it he told me how one option is to upgrade the necessary parts for to 5th generation hardware (I think he said 5th generation, I'm clueless about some details).

Santa also bought me:
Intel Core i9-14900K
ASUS ROG Strix Z790-E Gaming WiFi 6E LGA 1700
Crucial T700 GEN5 NMVE M.2 SSD 2280 4TB PCI-Express 5.0 x4
CORSAIR Vengeance RGB 64GB

Also few months ago I bought the Amazon eero Max 7 tri-band mesh wifi router | 10 Gbps Ethernet.

My setup is that there is a wifi port in the wall that gives you a direct connection to the fiber network (there's other stuff behind a wall but my point is it's just ethernet cable wall port is where I get the connection. The eero has two 10GbE ports, so that wall port goes into my eero router. The second 10GbE port is the only one left so it goes into my network switch. Then for the rest of my devices include a cord from switch to brand new shiny bright Synology (YAYYYY!!!!). Next the switch is plugged into my main desktop PC. Also a switch wraps around the walls and gets plugged into my mini-PC in the living room. Lastly the switch goes into my Samsung Smart TV, with another into my HD Home Run that's connected through an HDMI port to my TV, which is just an antenna for local TV stations, which I don't believe is important here but if it'd make CBS work always I'll use 10 gig.

I've done nothing but search Amazon for 10GbE network switches and found a few but would definitely appreciate your opinion.

This one seems like a good one? There are choices of what to get, like 8 RJ45 + 2 SFP PoE Switch, and yeah, you asked about PoE but I have no clue what that means: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0C131CJYN/?tag=synoforum-20

Or here: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CLK4JLRZ/?tag=synoforum-20

A QNAP one is Amazon Choice but I think I want more than 2 ports: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BFCBSSD1/?tag=synoforum-20

Here's a $299 one, I assume cheaper ones aren't really worse but I have no idea. If I need this for what I want it's possible: https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-TL-S...o-Negotiation/dp/B09CYNHL4S/?tag=synoforum-20

Good one here too, I think? https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CLK4JLRZ/?tag=synoforum-20

Thanks for the help and sorry I always write too much.

As you can tell, I think getting the most out of 10 gig and hoping to future proof it to some degree is very much in my interest. An additional reason is my future plans of remote sharing my Plex server, ideally to hot girls. And I want it to work great with as little buffering as possible. I'm also anticipating what I'm going to discover about the speed of my fiber connection. Either I will be apologizing and saying I learned a lot about internet connections, or the download speed is still terrible and inconsistent and they are like all other ISPs that will continue to blame it on other things.

 

[Rusty]

To make use of the highest speeds, how many 10gbe ports do I need?

You need at least 3. Router to new switch (1), Syno (2), Pc (3). Any other device you want will ofc be an additional port number.

 

[Patrick]

I just ordered https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07K7SMF89/?tag=synoforum-21
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and https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B09RQ96J59?tag=synoforum-21

 

[sdaf351rfFE]

I just ordered https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07K7SMF89/?tag=synoforum-21
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and https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B09RQ96J59?tag=synoforum-21

What made you get that first OWC Thunderbolt? I'd think the ten port switch would be all you need, so I'm curious.

Oh, assume it's needed to connect to Apple laptop or something.

 

[Patrick]

the switch was so that I could connect my 3 computers ( two Macs, one windows) and also my DS923+.
The adaptor is for my Mac which gas a 1Gb ethernet but up to 40Gb on the USB3.2 socket...which os what I'll use for the speed.
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I've also added 2x 1Tb NME SSDs and upped the RAM from the basic 4Gb to the max 2x8Gb ...

basically so I can maximise network speed with too much waiting about

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[Coop777]

I am late to the discussion, but did upgrade recently to this:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09M7KSZB2?tag=synoforum-20

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Nice, thanks for your thoughts!

I do "need" 10 gig - little while ago I moved into a new building that has fiber internet. Unfortunately the performance when downloading is nowhere close to desired. The speed is inconsistent but it's closer to something around ~75mbps. My complaints haven't worked, all they do is send a guy over and do one speed test that shows 900/900 speeds. Then they claim that it has to do with where you download stuff and they can only promise stuff from their network but it doesn't matter if download 1000 different files from 1000 different places their speed would still be inconsistent and slow for a fiber connection.

This frustrates me. My main desktop PC has been having unrelated issues also, and when I asked my tech guy about it he told me how one option is to upgrade the necessary parts for to 5th generation hardware (I think he said 5th generation, I'm clueless about some details).

Santa also bought me:
Intel Core i9-14900K
ASUS ROG Strix Z790-E Gaming WiFi 6E LGA 1700
Crucial T700 GEN5 NMVE M.2 SSD 2280 4TB PCI-Express 5.0 x4
CORSAIR Vengeance RGB 64GB

Also few months ago I bought the Amazon eero Max 7 tri-band mesh wifi router | 10 Gbps Ethernet.

My setup is that there is a wifi port in the wall that gives you a direct connection to the fiber network (there's other stuff behind a wall but my point is it's just ethernet cable wall port is where I get the connection. The eero has two 10GbE ports, so that wall port goes into my eero router. The second 10GbE port is the only one left so it goes into my network switch. Then for the rest of my devices include a cord from switch to brand new shiny bright Synology (YAYYYY!!!!). Next the switch is plugged into my main desktop PC. Also a switch wraps around the walls and gets plugged into my mini-PC in the living room. Lastly the switch goes into my Samsung Smart TV, with another into my HD Home Run that's connected through an HDMI port to my TV, which is just an antenna for local TV stations, which I don't believe is important here but if it'd make CBS work always I'll use 10 gig.

I've done nothing but search Amazon for 10GbE network switches and found a few but would definitely appreciate your opinion.

This one seems like a good one? There are choices of what to get, like 8 RJ45 + 2 SFP PoE Switch, and yeah, you asked about PoE but I have no clue what that means: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0C131CJYN/?tag=synoforum-20

Or here: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CLK4JLRZ/?tag=synoforum-20

A QNAP one is Amazon Choice but I think I want more than 2 ports: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BFCBSSD1/?tag=synoforum-20

Here's a $299 one, I assume cheaper ones aren't really worse but I have no idea. If I need this for what I want it's possible: https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-TL-SX105-Wall-Mount-Protection-Auto-Negotiation/dp/B09CYNHL4S/ref=sr_1_8?crid=22Z0F44749GUO&keywords=10+ethernet+switch&qid=1704764241&s=electronics&sprefix=10+ethernet+switch,electronics,193&sr=1-8&ufe=app_do:amzn1.fos.18630bbb-fcbb-42f8-9767-857e17e03685

Good one here too, I think? https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CLK4JLRZ/?tag=synoforum-20

Thanks for the help and sorry I always write too much.

As you can tell, I think getting the most out of 10 gig and hoping to future proof it to some degree is very much in my interest. An additional reason is my future plans of remote sharing my Plex server, ideally to hot girls. And I want it to work great with as little buffering as possible. I'm also anticipating what I'm going to discover about the speed of my fiber connection. Either I will be apologizing and saying I learned a lot about internet connections, or the download speed is still terrible and inconsistent and they are like all other ISPs that will continue to blame it on other things.

For your local LAN, you should see a good bump with File transfer speeds with 10GBE. For anything you share externally for streaming from your Plex server, experiences may vary as that is dependent on your ISP upload speed and the download speed of the ISP that the externally connected user has.

 

[Patrick]

update: re 10Gb 8 port switch from TrendNet... what I received was a $10 jar of chopped onions. Amazon refunded in full of course, and the Synology mini port and the reordered switch were "lost"....
So I reordered the mini port and a Netgear XS508M ... which arrived 2 days ago.
So my network should be really fast.But I must have some settings wrong.
According to the Black Magic Disk Speed Test ( Mac version) Write is 328 mbps and read 2256Mbps.... disappointing in that my expectation was more towards 10Gbps than 2Gbps but pleased that its way better than the 95/100 previous to the upgrade

if anyone can provide a light on speeding it up further, I'm open so suggestion
Screenshots self explanatory...

 

[Rusty]

update: re 10Gb 8 port switch from TrendNet... what I received was a $10 jar of chopped onions. Amazon refunded in full of course, and the Synology mini port and the reordered switch were "lost"....
So I reordered the mini port and a Netgear XS508M ... which arrived 2 days ago.
So my network should be really fast.But I must have some settings wrong.
According to the Black Magic Disk Speed Test ( Mac version) Write is 328 mbps and read 2256Mbps.... disappointing in that my expectation was more towards 10Gbps than 2Gbps but pleased that its way better than the 95/100 previous to the upgrade

if anyone can provide a light on speeding it up further, I'm open so suggestion
Screenshots self explanatory...


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Not sure what’s slow for you. 620MB/s is over 6G speed while 2256MB is over 20G speed. So is this local speed test or Blackmagic over network testing the drives on the NAS?

I don’t see any issue if we are talking about 10G speeds (1GB/s)

 

[Patrick]

Not sure what’s slow for you. 620MB/s is over 6G speed while 2256MB is over 20G speed. So is this local speed test or Blackmagic over network testing the drives on the NAS?

I don’t see any issue if we are talking about 10G speeds (1GB/s)

I’m not sure tbh. I’m using Blackmagic over my home network. I’m looking at using iPerf3 but I’m befuddled as to how to even use it! Lol
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[Rusty]

I’m looking at using iPerf3

Well, iperf would be a nice way to test and see if you can get the 10G connection. Still keep in mind that this is a network test, not the actual data transfer that includes the drives, so the test will only confirm network throughput.

One of the easiest ways to do it is to configure a docker container on your NAS using a single "server" command line, and then on the client side (whatever the device/platform it is) to run the "client" test.

Run docker container as a server:
sudo docker run -it --rm --name=iperf-srv -p 5201:5201 clearlinux/iperf:3.8 -s

This will start a container in server operation mode. Now, on the client side, you can use iperf -c SERVER_IP as a command line to run the test against that server by entering your NAS IP address as the server_ip parameter.

If the client in this case is also a NAS, then a docker container for the client would look like this:

sudo docker run -it --rm --network=host clearlinux/iperf:3.8 -c <SERVER_IP>

The result of a max 10G speed test would look something like this:

[ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bitrate         Retr  Cwnd
[  5]   0.00-1.00   sec  1.15 GBytes  9.88 Gbits/sec    0   1.13 MBytes       
[  5]   1.00-2.00   sec  1.15 GBytes  9.90 Gbits/sec    0   1.19 MBytes       
[  5]   2.00-3.00   sec  1.15 GBytes  9.90 Gbits/sec    0   1.19 MBytes       
[  5]   3.00-4.00   sec  1.15 GBytes  9.91 Gbits/sec    0   1.19 MBytes       
[  5]   4.00-5.00   sec  1.15 GBytes  9.88 Gbits/sec    0   1.38 MBytes       
[  5]   5.00-6.00   sec  1.15 GBytes  9.89 Gbits/sec    0   1.52 MBytes       
[  5]   6.00-7.00   sec  1.15 GBytes  9.90 Gbits/sec    0   1.52 MBytes       
[  5]   7.00-8.00   sec  1.15 GBytes  9.91 Gbits/sec    0   1.52 MBytes       
[  5]   8.00-9.00   sec  1.15 GBytes  9.89 Gbits/sec    0   2.28 MBytes       
[  5]   9.00-10.00  sec  1.15 GBytes  9.90 Gbits/sec    0   3.42 MBytes       
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bitrate         Retr
[  5]   0.00-10.00  sec  11.5 GBytes  9.89 Gbits/sec    0             sender
[  5]   0.00-10.05  sec  11.5 GBytes  9.84 Gbits/sec                  receiver

 

[Patrick]

I'm running iPerf3 as suggested on the DS923+ in a container. Using terminal on my Mac

this
iperf3 -c 192.168.1.99

results in
iperf3: error - unable to connect to server: Connection refused

I have ssh enable on the NAS.
I can connect using SSH ok. and I can see the NAS in Finder, as well as navigate to folders etc

Any help much appreciated

 

[Rusty]

I'm running iPerf3 as suggested on the DS923+ in a container. Using terminal on my Mac

this
iperf3 -c 192.168.1.99

results in
iperf3: error - unable to connect to server: Connection refused

I have ssh enable on the NAS.
I can connect using SSH ok. and I can see the NAS in Finder, as well as navigate to folders etc

Any help much appreciated

and on the server side you have it in "listening mode"?

 

[Patrick]

and on the server side you have it in "listening mode"?

Yes. The log shows Listening on 5201

 

[Rusty]

Could be some ports are being blocked, any firewall in place?

 

[Patrick]

screens d=hsots

Could be some ports are being blocked, any firewall in place?

not as far as I know. I can connect through the Finder app
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control panel / Security / Firewall does NOT have Enable Firewall checked
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its going to be something silly and embarrassing I bet !

 

[Rusty]

screens d=hsots

not as far as I know. I can connect through the Finder app
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control panel / Security / Firewall does NOT have Enable Firewall checked
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its going to be something silly and embarrassing I bet !

Finder works, thats ok, but connection via terminal might be another issue. Do you have the macOS firewall up and running by any chance?

try and use iperf -c <server-ip-address> -p <port-number> and make sure to enter the port number that the server is running on. See if that works.

 

[Patrick]

I tried 25 and 5000 and get
iperf3: error - received an unknown control message

I also tried 5201 and 22 and get
iperf3: error - unable to connect to server: Connection refused

I connect the the DMS using 192.168.1.99:500
so I tried port 5000 and as its listening on 5201

In control panel / Terminal and SNMP, I have Enable SSH checked and the default port is 25
I have Auto Block off too.

 

[fredbert]

When creating the iperf3 container you need to configure its network to be 'host', not 'bridge'. It has to appear directly on your LAN. Well that's how I use it.