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To Raid or not to raid for audio files? Is it even possible!?

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I'd be really grateful for some advice. Apologies I didn't know if this was the best forum to post this question.

Despite having very little IT skills I've managed to set up a Synology NAS drive to store audio files to stream to a media player. This is the only thing I want to use the NAS drive for.

I used the 'recommended settings' and all works well so far.

I found this information on Cambridge Audios website (who manufacture my media player):

When looking at any sort of drive, having a completely separate backup is by far the best option. Please be aware that RAID drives (that have two internal drives with mirrored content) are not a perfect option in this case. RAID is designed to give high availability but if an error occurs in one database it will occur in the other- potentially ruining both. Buying a single drive NAS that backs up to an external drive is a more robust solution in terms of an audio network.

I bought the drive with two installed discs in. I don't understand from the above information if there's a better option to choose on the Synology rather than the standard raid option I am currently using to store these audio files? Please could someone advise? I do have a portable external HD I plan to use as a backup so do have a 'plan b' backup option. I plan to rip around 250 CDs so this will take up less than 500GB and I bought the drive with 2 x 2TB discs.

Thanks very much for your help
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What I read the Cambridge Audio advice as saying is: RAID isn’t backup.

It’s true, RAID can provide improved availability in the event of a drive failure (most do but it depends on which RAID type you choose). But you should still back up the NAS to protect from unintended changes and undesirable events: e.g. the database corruption it mentions.

You could configure the DS215j’s two drives as two separate Basic storage pools, and periodically backup one to the other. But this isn’t foolproof since the backup would always be available and exposed to the same risks… being in the same NAS as the primary active data. It’s better to have off-NAS backups.
 
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I understand you made a purchase for the DS215j.
This nas is around 10 years old, and EOL regarding support. The J types hav shorter support anyway.
For your purpose, I would advise to buy a new single disk NAS, that will serve you for the next 10 year or so. As said, create your backups.
 
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Did a web search and found this as the likely source of the advice.

It really doesn’t say much about why not to use a NAS: there’s no mention if it’s detrimental to actually audio streaming, only that RAID isn’t backup. So I wouldn’t be overly bothered about this advice. And you have an external USB drive from real backup, so that’s good.

The DS215j is pretty ancient now and stuck on DSM 7.1, though many will say to keep on the now unsupported DSM 6.2.4. For an audio library it is sufficient. If the CA music streamer supports access to DLNA/UPnP servers then I would use this method, with DSM’s Media Server package. This is how I access my audio library with my Denon HEOS streaming amps.

If you plan to access the NAS using SMB file sharing: check that the media streamer supports the more secure SMB v2 at minimum, because v1 is vulnerable to malware and you may have other devices on the LAN that can be used to attack it. Again, my experience, Denon still hasn’t updated to support v2, and I refuse to enable insecure SMB v1 access to my NAS.

I would also invest in software that can check the audio files as they are created, and create the highest possible quality too. I’ve used dbpoweramp, which isn’t cheap but there’s a trial, and I saw more options for Windows than Mac. Being able to run more than one CD/DVD/BR drive at a time was also helpful.

Extra: the DS215j is limited to 16 GB TB volumes. Check the Synology help on this. Depending on how the storage pools is created (that’s the RAID bit) it can have multiple volumes, so bigger drives are supported. However, the 16 GB TB limit remains if you move the drives/pool/volumes to a better Synology NAS that doesn’t have this limit. Also higher/newer NAS support Btrfs file system. Just things to know :)
 
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Did a web search and found this as the likely source of the advice.

It really doesn’t say much about why not to use a NAS: there’s no mention if it’s detrimental to actually audio streaming, only that RAID isn’t backup. So I wouldn’t be overly bothered about this advice. And you have an external USB drive from real backup, so that’s good.

The DS215j is pretty ancient now and stuck on DSM 7.1, though many will say to keep on the now unsupported DSM 6.2.4. For an audio library it is sufficient. If the CA music streamer supports access to DLNA/UPnP servers then I would use this method, with DSM’s Media Server package. This is how I access my audio library with my Denon HEOS streaming amps.

If you plan to access the NAS using SMB file sharing: check that the media streamer supports the more secure SMB v2 at minimum, because v1 is vulnerable to malware and you may have other devices on the LAN that can be used to attack it. Again, my experience, Denon still hasn’t updated to support v2, and I refuse to enable insecure SMB v1 access to my NAS.

I would also invest in software that can check the audio files as they are created, and create the highest possible quality too. I’ve used dbpoweramp, which isn’t cheap but there’s a trial, and I saw more options for Windows than Mac. Being able to run more than one CD/DVD/BR drive at a time was also helpful.

Extra: the DS215j is limited to 16 GB volumes. Check the Synology help on this. Depending on how the storage pools is created (that’s the RAID bit) it can have multiple volumes, so bigger drives are supported. However, the 16 GB limit remains if you move the drives/pool/volumes to a better Synology NAS that doesn’t have this limit. Also higher/newer NAS support Btrfs file system. Just things to know :)
I believe the max size is 16TB, not 16 GB :) sufficient tto do the 2TB...
 
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What I read the Cambridge Audio advice as saying is: RAID isn’t backup.

It’s true, RAID can provide improved availability in the event of a drive failure (most do but it depends on which RAID type you choose). But you should still back up the NAS to protect from unintended changes and undesirable events: e.g. the database corruption it mentions.

You could configure the DS215j’s two drives as two separate Basic storage pools, and periodically backup one to the other. But this isn’t foolproof since the backup would always be available and exposed to the same risks… being in the same NAS as the primary active data. It’s better to have off-NAS backups.
Thanks very much. I interpreted it as meaning that too but don't have the technical understanding to be sure so thank you for confirming. From what you've said it would appear that it makes very little difference how I configure the drives and the main thing is for me to have a separate backup which I would plan to do. Please could I ask why do these drives fail? They seem quite pricey and it almost feels like there's an expectation for them to fail which is a worry when storing so much data!? Thanks again
 
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I understand you made a purchase for the DS215j.
This nas is around 10 years old, and EOL regarding support. The J types hav shorter support anyway.
For your purpose, I would advise to buy a new single disk NAS, that will serve you for the next 10 year or so. As said, create your backups.
Thank you. I bought this second hand and didn't consider the age. What are The likely problems for an old drive, are they likely to fail, or is it functionality? I have looked at single disc Synology NAS drives so could potentially look to get one and re-resell this one if you think that is more sensible? As I said I would literally load music files and nothing else so am unlikely to be messing around with it much. Thanks again
 
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Did a web search and found this as the likely source of the advice.

It really doesn’t say much about why not to use a NAS: there’s no mention if it’s detrimental to actually audio streaming, only that RAID isn’t backup. So I wouldn’t be overly bothered about this advice. And you have an external USB drive from real backup, so that’s good.

The DS215j is pretty ancient now and stuck on DSM 7.1, though many will say to keep on the now unsupported DSM 6.2.4. For an audio library it is sufficient. If the CA music streamer supports access to DLNA/UPnP servers then I would use this method, with DSM’s Media Server package. This is how I access my audio library with my Denon HEOS streaming amps.

If you plan to access the NAS using SMB file sharing: check that the media streamer supports the more secure SMB v2 at minimum, because v1 is vulnerable to malware and you may have other devices on the LAN that can be used to attack it. Again, my experience, Denon still hasn’t updated to support v2, and I refuse to enable insecure SMB v1 access to my NAS.

I would also invest in software that can check the audio files as they are created, and create the highest possible quality too. I’ve used dbpoweramp, which isn’t cheap but there’s a trial, and I saw more options for Windows than Mac. Being able to run more than one CD/DVD/BR drive at a time was also helpful.

Extra: the DS215j is limited to 16 GB TB volumes. Check the Synology help on this. Depending on how the storage pools is created (that’s the RAID bit) it can have multiple volumes, so bigger drives are supported. However, the 16 GB TB limit remains if you move the drives/pool/volumes to a better Synology NAS that doesn’t have this limit. Also higher/newer NAS support Btrfs file system. Just things to know :)
Thank you, lots of information here so very helpful. That is exactly where I got the info from, Cambridge Audio. From the drive perspective it would appear I can just leave things as they are and yes I will have a separate backup.

I have to be honest I don't really understand everything that you've said because of my lack of technology knowledge! ...but basically the CA picks up the files on the NAS and plays them so whatever I am doing it appears to be working. I don't know about the SMB V2 thing so will have to check. Its a new Cambridge Audio streamer (ANX10) though a budget version, but still I would hope it would support a more secure share.

I have just tested using standard Windows Media player to rip a CD but I'm looking into better audio quality ripping programs for when I 'properly' rip them.

From what I understand 300 albums would easily fit on a 256GB stick so I don't think I will have problems with the terrabytes you mention! I currently have 2 x 2TB but may consider a new single disc based on some of the other comments. I didn't realize this one being old would be an issue. It's second hand. The more I understand the more I think a NAS is an over the top means to stream a few hundred CDs from if thats all you want it for, but I don't know an equivalent 'simpler' option! Thanks again
 
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Please could I ask why do these drives fail? They seem quite pricey and it almost feels like there's an expectation for them to fail which is a worry when storing so much data!?
In the end all drives will fail, price is no guarantee of indefinite error-free operation. Treating the drives well can help preserve them, so shutdown before moving and try to avoid unplanned shutdowns too. Having a UPS will help if you frequently have power outages as these can be directed to power off the NAS before the UPS battery ends.

I have to be honest I don't really understand everything that you've said because of my lack of technology knowledge! ...but basically the CA picks up the files on the NAS and plays them so whatever I am doing it appears to be working. I don't know about the SMB V2 thing so will have to check. Its a new Cambridge Audio streamer (ANX10) though a budget version, but still I would hope it would support a more secure share.
Looks a nice bit of kit.

I did a search for the manual and if link to this help page.

Here it really talks about needing to use a UPnP media server in order to access your music over the LAN. So I'm guessing you already have Media Server installed on the NAS (this is DSM's UPnP server). It doesn't mention accessing music using normal file sharing services (like you would with your Windows PC), so I think we can forget about the SMB v1/v2 subject. The UPnP server is the better way to go anyway.
For now Media Server will be sufficient, though later you might want to try other ones, like Minim Server and Asset UPnP.

In DSM'sControl Panel you will find the Indexing Service tab. In here there's a button that enables you to assign which folders on the NAS are to be continuously scanned and indexed for music, video, and/or image files. Make sure wherever you've put your music library is being indexed. Only one place you cannot use is any DSM user's /home folder, as these are treated as private. If you have installed Audio Station then it will have created the /music shared folder, and you might want to use this. AS can also be used to see how the file tagging is being used.

As for ripping CDs, it's useful to have one that tags well, and can bulk change too. So long as you are happy with the results, after tweaking, it should be a one-time process.


I saw the ANX10 has a USB port. If it's anything like my Denon amps (and car) the music library it presents might not be optimal. I really don't care much about 'feat.' etc artist names, as I mostly listen to albums at a time. But the Denon shows 'artist' rather than 'album artist', so ablums get spread across lots of artists. And then there's compilation albums that get blown apart. So I really only use local music using Media Server, and I find it plays gapless too. So what I'm driving at is: attaching a USB drive will probably not be ideal, even if cheaper.
 
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In the end all drives will fail, price is no guarantee of indefinite error-free operation. Treating the drives well can help preserve them, so shutdown before moving and try to avoid unplanned shutdowns too. Having a UPS will help if you frequently have power outages as these can be directed to power off the NAS before the UPS battery ends.


Looks a nice bit of kit.

I did a search for the manual and if link to this help page.

Here it really talks about needing to use a UPnP media server in order to access your music over the LAN. So I'm guessing you already have Media Server installed on the NAS (this is DSM's UPnP server). It doesn't mention accessing music using normal file sharing services (like you would with your Windows PC), so I think we can forget about the SMB v1/v2 subject. The UPnP server is the better way to go anyway.
For now Media Server will be sufficient, though later you might want to try other ones, like Minim Server and Asset UPnP.

In DSM'sControl Panel you will find the Indexing Service tab. In here there's a button that enables you to assign which folders on the NAS are to be continuously scanned and indexed for music, video, and/or image files. Make sure wherever you've put your music library is being indexed. Only one place you cannot use is any DSM user's /home folder, as these are treated as private. If you have installed Audio Station then it will have created the /music shared folder, and you might want to use this. AS can also be used to see how the file tagging is being used.

As for ripping CDs, it's useful to have one that tags well, and can bulk change too. So long as you are happy with the results, after tweaking, it should be a one-time process.


I saw the ANX10 has a USB port. If it's anything like my Denon amps (and car) the music library it presents might not be optimal. I really don't care much about 'feat.' etc artist names, as I mostly listen to albums at a time. But the Denon shows 'artist' rather than 'album artist', so ablums get spread across lots of artists. And then there's compilation albums that get blown apart. So I really only use local music using Media Server, and I find it plays gapless too. So what I'm driving at is: attaching a USB drive will probably not be ideal, even if cheaper.
 
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Thank you! Yes I installed Synologys Media Server as I was following some online instructions (can't remember if it was Cambridge Audio or Synology advice...) I did see the Audio server which perhaps was a better option but because I have no prior knowledge I decided to follow the instructions exactly which said to use media server.

Again apologies for the lack of correct terminology, I set up a ?pool as per instructions but when I saved the music file there it wasn't visible. The media server appears to have preset ?folders and within one (?music) the files are visible to my CA, so all seems to work somehow in the end.

I haven't used the USB on the CA but I agree selecting music files is likely to be problematic, so a usb drive probably not a viable alternative.

Thanks for the info about drive preservation too. I am an 'unplug everything before I leave the house person' but will remember not to do that with the NAS!

I really don't want to be changing things anytime soon so am now considering getting rid of this second hand NAS and buying something new. I regularly buy second hand audio/electrical kit etc but didn't appreciate the implications of this. I've seen a new DS124 which is a single drive and would need one 2TB disc to manage what I need. If I have understood correctly from all the comments this would do what I need regarding storage/streaming but probably last longer physically and technologically. I purchased this one for 100 and a new unit plus drive looks about 240 so a significant cost implication which I'll need to think about.

Thanks again
 
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Your over thinking it.

There is no issue having your audio files on the NAS or in a raid. I have over 3250 albums taking up 1.3TB on mine (DS 718+)
Just put them in the music folder created by the DSM . I have mine also in sub folders by original media type CD, Cassette, Vinyl and Download. Then by Artist and Album. Everything goes via the synology media server package to my Pioneer N50A using DNLA. and works perfectly.

The more important issue is tagging your ripped CD properly. Depending budget and OS there are plenty of apps that will help, otherwise it becomes a rather tedious job. The big thing is to fill in ALL the tags you require Artist, and Album Artist are different tags, I highly recommend you fill BOTH in., I like to have genre, but as not a huge classical fan I don't normally bother with the composer tag.

Using synology media server you can make the choice of menu on the streamer as complicated or as simple as you wish (I went the simple route)

Screenshot_20241022-183322.webp


As for backing up, audio files are no different from any other file on the NAS and should be backed up to external storage.
 
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Just put them in the music folder created by the DSM
I think /music is created when Audio Station is installed, but I could be wrong.

I have mine also in sub folders by original media type CD, Cassette, Vinyl and Download
I split the different audio quality files into different folders: MP3/AAC; ALAC (CD); Hi-res (BR). I then adapt Media Server's DMA menu style so I can specifically select the format I want: this a nice feature to customise how you like it, and some player apps (e.g. HEOS app) will show icons specific to some menu item names

I can't be bothered to transcode when loading to mobile devices, finding it easier to have a library of MP3/AAC files ready to go. That's one thing that some software can do: create multiple file exports per track. Even adjust the added tagging for different formats. But I agree that getting tagging done right is a must.

I really don't want to be changing things anytime soon so am now considering getting rid of this second hand NAS and buying something new. I regularly buy second hand audio/electrical kit etc but didn't appreciate the implications of this. I've seen a new DS124 which is a single drive and would need one 2TB disc to manage what I need. If I have understood correctly from all the comments this would do what I need regarding storage/streaming but probably last longer physically and technologically. I purchased this one for 100 and a new unit plus drive looks about 240 so a significant cost implication which I'll need to think about.
The DS215j was around £160 retail when it as new, and then add drives. I reckon a 2 TB WD Red NAS drive (that's a Red Plus now) was about £80 retail back then too. I got two 3 TB for £100 each.

I still run my DS215j as a macOS Time Machine server. While it's not powerful enough to happily run the web based packages, it's even slow for the DSM interface, it can still run headless network services like Media Server. Just avoid asking it to convert formats. The last time I checked I was able to run Plex server and stream video, though it nearly max'ed the CPU for FHD streams.

Finally, the amount of data you are talking about isn't going to take an age to rebuild even if the DS215j does need replacing. You can use Hyper Backup to make backups of the configurations and data. You can then use that to recreate on a new build NAS.
 
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Your over thinking it.

There is no issue having your audio files on the NAS or in a raid. I have over 3250 albums taking up 1.3TB on mine (DS 718+)
Just put them in the music folder created by the DSM . I have mine also in sub folders by original media type CD, Cassette, Vinyl and Download. Then by Artist and Album. Everything goes via the synology media server package to my Pioneer N50A using DNLA. and works perfectly.

The more important issue is tagging your ripped CD properly. Depending budget and OS there are plenty of apps that will help, otherwise it becomes a rather tedious job. The big thing is to fill in ALL the tags you require Artist, and Album Artist are different tags, I highly recommend you fill BOTH in., I like to have genre, but as not a huge classical fan I don't normally bother with the composer tag.

Using synology media server you can make the choice of menu on the streamer as complicated or as simple as you wish (I went the simple route)

View attachment 19141

As for backing up, audio files are no different from any other file on the NAS and should be backed up to external storage.
Thank you, quick question, that screenshot which I'm assuming is your phone, is that a Synology Media Server? Is it an app? I am using an app from my network streamer (Cambridge Audio stream magic app) and set the NAS up on a laptop so haven't come across that and those menus
Your over thinking it.

There is no issue having your audio files on the NAS or in a raid. I have over 3250 albums taking up 1.3TB on mine (DS 718+)
Just put them in the music folder created by the DSM . I have mine also in sub folders by original media type CD, Cassette, Vinyl and Download. Then by Artist and Album. Everything goes via the synology media server package to my Pioneer N50A using DNLA. and works perfectly.

The more important issue is tagging your ripped CD properly. Depending budget and OS there are plenty of apps that will help, otherwise it becomes a rather tedious job. The big thing is to fill in ALL the tags you require Artist, and Album Artist are different tags, I highly recommend you fill BOTH in., I like to have genre, but as not a huge classical fan I don't normally bother with the composer tag.

Using synology media server you can make the choice of menu on the streamer as complicated or as simple as you wish (I went the simple route)

View attachment 19141

As for backing up, audio files are no different from any other file on the NAS and should be backed up to external storage.
 
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I think /music is created when Audio Station is installed, but I could be wrong.


I split the different audio quality files into different folders: MP3/AAC; ALAC (CD); Hi-res (BR). I then adapt Media Server's DMA menu style so I can specifically select the format I want: this a nice feature to customise how you like it, and some player apps (e.g. HEOS app) will show icons specific to some menu item names

I can't be bothered to transcode when loading to mobile devices, finding it easier to have a library of MP3/AAC files ready to go. That's one thing that some software can do: create multiple file exports per track. Even adjust the added tagging for different formats. But I agree that getting tagging done right is a must.


The DS215j was around £160 retail when it as new, and then add drives. I reckon a 2 TB WD Red NAS drive (that's a Red Plus now) was about £80 retail back then too. I got two 3 TB for £100 each.

I still run my DS215j as a macOS Time Machine server. While it's not powerful enough to happily run the web based packages, it's even slow for the DSM interface, it can still run headless network services like Media Server. Just avoid asking it to convert formats. The last time I checked I was able to run Plex server and stream video, though it nearly max'ed the CPU for FHD streams.

Finally, the amount of data you are talking about isn't going to take an age to rebuild even if the DS215j does need replacing. You can use Hyper Backup to make backups of the configurations and data. You can then use that to recreate on a new build NAS.
Thanks again. Slightly long story but I am actually relocating to Europe in a few months, so basically I now have this second hand and apparently old NAS, and despite you saying I could make back ups, I'm wondering if it would just be sensible to start with a new one which presumably has a better shelf life? Relocating is basically the kick I needed to finally sort all my CDs out and put them on something where I can actually access them, hence this venture into unknown NAS territory! I am incredibly IT illiterate so barely understand most of the tech info you mention 😅 But somehow managed to set this thing up. The person who sold me the unit showed me screenshots of the diagnostics saying the unit and drives were healthy. I don't know if this has any bearing on whether to replace the unit or not?
 
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Your over thinking it.

There is no issue having your audio files on the NAS or in a raid. I have over 3250 albums taking up 1.3TB on mine (DS 718+)
Just put them in the music folder created by the DSM . I have mine also in sub folders by original media type CD, Cassette, Vinyl and Download. Then by Artist and Album. Everything goes via the synology media server package to my Pioneer N50A using DNLA. and works perfectly.

The more important issue is tagging your ripped CD properly. Depending budget and OS there are plenty of apps that will help, otherwise it becomes a rather tedious job. The big thing is to fill in ALL the tags you require Artist, and Album Artist are different tags, I highly recommend you fill BOTH in., I like to have genre, but as not a huge classical fan I don't normally bother with the composer tag.

Using synology media server you can make the choice of menu on the streamer as complicated or as simple as you wish (I went the simple route)

View attachment 19141

As for backing up, audio files are no different from any other file on the NAS and should be backed up to external storage.
And by the way that is an incredible amount of albums to have in a collection!
 
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The original question's been answered: RAID is immaterial to streaming audio, it just isn't backup. Moving to the general 'what to do now', I think your options are:
  1. Keep the secondhand DS215j and drives.
    • For now it does what you need.
    • You're going to back it up anyway.
    • When transporting you should remove the drives and safely pack them.
    • I'd consider getting a replacement after moving, so there's less chance of damaging it.
    • It is a sunk cost, but you can try and sell it at a later date.
    • The OS (DSM 7.1) isn't getting updates now. Maybe security ones.
    • Use as off-NAS backup for replacement NAS, using Hyper Backup with versioning.
  2. Get a DS124 and new drive.
    • It will be maintained for longer on the current DSM.
    • More RAM, but still the minimum that Synology says for DSM 7.
    • RAM isn't upgradable.
    • Supports more file systems for the RAID. Specifically Btrfs which has bit rot protection.
    • You might find other packages useful and will run better.
    • Small risk of damage to buy now and transport.
    • Doubles the cost you paid, even if you resell the DS215j.
  3. Run a UPnP server on another device.
  4. I'm avoiding saying get a Raspberry Pi and build one on that as you keep saying you aren't very tech literate :)

You'll have to make the choice. Me? I might stick with the DS215j for now or try another device (a Mac in my case), because you're going to be backing up the data files no matter which way you go. Once moved and things have settled down I might then review how I'm using the music streamer and think about replacing it. But you know yourself, so spend your money how it seems best to you.

You main priority should be to convert your CDs because the NAS is not going to be much use before then. Obviously, you should retain ownership of the CDs, even if they are just in storage. At present you are just backing them up.

Have a read up on DLNA UPnP to understand how it works and the components involved.

You media library is managed by a server that presents a menu to a controller. The controller browses the menu and directs the renderer or player to play the select media, direct from the server. In your case: the server is Media Server on the NAS; the controller is the mobile app; the renderer is the ANX10. You can also have multiple servers on a network: so you could try running one on Windows to see if that is sufficient.
 
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Thank you, quick question, that screenshot which I'm assuming is your phone, is that a Synology Media Server? Is it an app? I am using an app from my network streamer (Cambridge Audio stream magic app) and set the NAS up on a laptop so haven't come across that and those menus
It a screen shot on my phone and it's a pioneer app, but the menu is set by a custom profile in Synology Media Server
 
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