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DSM Update Version: 7.2.2-72803

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Ask them to return SS Motion Detect back into SS too, Pretty Please!
(Why remove what works flawlessly?)
 
Motion detection is not removed, it's still there if you use H264, It's disabled for H265 because they (Synology) are cheap stakes which don't want to pay for codec royalties/fees.
 
So it shows both SS AND CAMERA??

Please post a screenshot
I’ll post my pre update one

You did upgrade SS too as part of update??
 
So it shows both SS AND CAMERA
Motion detect both? I’d it work?

Please post a screenshot
check this reply

 
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SS PRIOR TO.webp


No, Lewis you are wrong about that!
This is pix I just received from Support, who also said the decision to remove it was from High up in company...
Probably another piece of code they bought.....
Here's what that area looks like after the Update:
SS AFTER UPGRADE.webp
 
I don't follow, what's wrong with my info ?
That upper image shows motion detection by SS and Bottom one just shows motion detection by camera. That was there also before if you wanted you could switch to camera motion detection (i prefer SS one but i can switch to camera option if i wish).

Key part now is that if you want motion detection by SS you need to switch to H264 codec and if you want H265 then you must use cameras ability (if it has it) for motion detection.

So not sure what I'm wrong about ? Did you read my reply/feedback on that topic where guy confirms he has it (Motion detection by SS) on H264 and not on H265 ?
 
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Try and change your motion detect to Surveillance Station

Look at pix I posted. Try and match it

(Change to SS for motion detect source)

Support just confirmed yet again that SS as motion detect has been removed in total for both 264 & 265

PS: that 4K camera set to 264 for picture. I’m slowly moving back to H264, and then that is solid - will test camera motion detect on Cameras one at a time to see if I can approach the high quality of motion detect (SS’s ignore short lived motion is a fantastic tweak!)
 
Support just confirmed yet again that SS as motion detect has been removed in total for both 264 & 265

Release Notes:
The support for H.265 cameras will undergo the following changes, while H.264 cameras are not affected,
 
I’d try it if I could go back! I CANT, so I ask Support, and Support says it’s going away!

If I can’t test it, is Support wrong for saying it’s been removed? (And the Supervisor who took over the ticket, too?)

Then someone PROVE IT! Post pictures as I did above showing H264 camera showing SS as Motion detect algorithm: AFTER UPDATE: is still operational!

This is nuts that an end user should get such contradictory information!
 
I’d try it if I could go back! I CANT, so I ask Support, and Support says it’s going away!

If I can’t test it, is Support wrong for saying it’s been removed? (And the Supervisor who took over the ticket, too?)

Then someone PROVE IT! Post pictures as I did above showing H264 camera showing SS as Motion detect algorithm: AFTER UPDATE: is still operational!

This is nuts that an end user should get such contradictory information!

Do you have access to Virtual Machine Manager? If so, considering you have a plus model, spin up a image of VDSM of 7.2.2 and test for yourself. All of this back and forth can seriously be minimized by testing. You CAN test and then you can wipe out VDSM and nothing changes!
 
And I have not a H264 cam but i'm on 7.2.2
 
Have not done that before, so now is not time to try and experiment!

I’ve gone through 3 people on my trouble ticket, including one manager. I’ve told them I’m switching back to H264 on all cameras, and that’s when they sent me the png picture I posted before, saying SS Motion Detect is no longer, and decision to remove came from up high.

So I’m going back to all H264, and I’m prepared to go two ways:
IF Support is correct: SS No longer an option, I will attempt to switch cams to camera motion detect. If Successful to a the extent I’m at now or better: UPGRADE

IF NOT: Stay where I am!
 
Have not done that before, so now is not time to try and experiment!

I’ve gone through 3 people on my trouble ticket, including one manager. I’ve told them I’m switching back to H264 on all cameras, and that’s when they sent me the png picture I posted before, saying SS Motion Detect is no longer, and decision to remove came from up high.

So I’m going back to all H264, and I’m prepared to go two ways:
IF Support is correct: SS No longer an option, I will attempt to switch cams to camera motion detect. If Successful to a the extent I’m at now or better: UPGRADE

IF NOT: Stay where I am!

Sounds like discussion should cease. You have your answer.
 
And I have not a H264 cam but i'm on 7.2.2
Please contact beta testers who were using H264 cameras for me. Golly! Someone must have tried this! Refer to my pix as to where to set motion detect source
 
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Another reply from support on the SS as a motion detect source with 264 cams:
Saying Yes, SS as motion detect source IS supported, and he includes a pix of it….
BUT
The included picture is plainly showing it’s NOT available. I’m sending question yet again.



Oh My! I figured it out!!! Not what I expected, but it does makes sense.... once I think about it for a while…..

It's kind of like the situation we have with Ram, and Hard Drives......



Synology is making this change to prevent Ali Express Cameras from working!!!

All 4 of my 4K Ali Express cameras, in SS camera event detection Only have DISABLE and Surveillance Station as Motion Detect as options....
HikVision cameras have By Camera, By Surveillance Station, and Disable... So, if Motion Detect By Surveillance Station is removed as a source…….

OK.... I have my answer!
 
Not sure if this is due to 7.2.2 or not, but after upgrading my Portainer instance to the new 2.21.0 LTS release, the agents running on my NAS units all refuse to connect, yet all my non-NAS agents are fine (all agents are the same version.

From what I see, a lot of people are having issues with the new Portainer release, so I'm more inclined to think it is Portainer at fault, but throwing this here in case anyone else can confirm their system is working, or if they are also having issues.
 
Not sure if this is due to 7.2.2 or not, but after upgrading my Portainer instance to the new 2.21.0 LTS release, the agents running on my NAS units all refuse to connect, yet all my non-NAS agents are fine (all agents are the same version.

From what I see, a lot of people are having issues with the new Portainer release, so I'm more inclined to think it is Portainer at fault, but throwing this here in case anyone else can confirm their system is working, or if they are also having issues.
It could be the Docker version that is running on the NAS. Version 24.x of Container manager is in beta atm so the 20.10 might have issues with Portainer 2.21
 
It could be the Docker version that is running on the NAS. Version 24.x of Container manager is in beta atm so the 20.10 might have issues with Portainer 2.21
It looks like my issue is a combination of the older non-beta) Docker version, and Portainer 2.21.0 not doing DNS lookups successfully (despite the host being fine).
 
The Container beta should be out of beta with 7.2.2 once it is ready for world wide roll out. That should be in the next 6 weeks in total.
 
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Got enough information from support to realize that H264 will still work... (Without doing the update) Not enough to be confidant that DS CAM & DS FILE Will still work, but.... Anyway, after changing most cameras (3 different MFG's, 2K & 4K) over to H265 a couple months ago, so as to save Data Space.... I changed them all back to H264.... A couple of the No-Name ONVIF 4K cameras had to be factory reset in order to access H264 again, making me think they were H265 Only once changed , but all are now back at H264, and I did have another question & answer set with Support around Surveillance Station being a Motion Detect source for H264 cameras in 7.2.2, as a couple (other) ONVIF 4K cameras (ASECAM) presently don't do Camera Motion Detect to SS in 7.2.1-5, but Does do it to ftp! ?? Presently all cameras on all NAS's set for SS as the Motion Detect Source.... Yes, Support confirms H264 cameras still does SS as a motion detect source in 7.2.2. I'm still waiting for confirmation about DS CAM and DS FILE..... One of my NAS's 718+ I see is on the list that will Never get the 7.2.2 update notification, it's a manual update only.... I'm intentionally doing most of work on 718+ (With 6GB Ram), as it is the weakest NAS I have, so as to immediately notice a slowdown if CPU & RAM is nearing full use, but both have plenty of Percentage left and the 718+ is still operating at top speed, and could easily do more work.... So ??
Anyway.... Still watching from the sidelines 3x NAS's Still at 7.2.1-5, with all cameras back at H264..... Everything Working Correctly with DS CAM DS FILE. Waiting to see what will eventually happen with 7.2.2.... and DS CAM DS FILE questions... Before determining to Jump..
 

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